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Post by NoOnesShowMonkey on Oct 19, 2010 15:33:20 GMT -5
Sorry for leaving things so open for so long. I was in the midst of some job changes and am back working a job away from a PC.
Oh the interesting (economic) times we live in!
I am going to take a shower and post IC and OOC about whats going on.
Sorry again for the wait!
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Post by ScornMandark on Oct 19, 2010 17:57:31 GMT -5
Glad to hear you're still working!  I was out for nearly a year not long ago, so I feel ya... Looking forward to the post! |
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Post by NoOnesShowMonkey on Oct 20, 2010 22:58:35 GMT -5
SR4 does a really shitty job of modeling damage to occupants in a crash. While I realize that a head-on confrontation with an 18 wheeler is a losing bet, it is not 100% total destruction no questions asked...
Just don't tell SR4 that.
Anyhow, what was left inside of the van with a pulse after the crash was quickly dealt with by the hired guns.
Your move.
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Post by ScornMandark on Oct 21, 2010 14:21:26 GMT -5
Yeah, I was looking at that, and I'm not sure a good way to resolve it. There was a mention of maybe calling it an area attack at both the vehicle and the passengers inside, but I'm not sure... I don't know if that would apply both ways (both for ram-er and ram-ee)
Queen's Knight to D-7.
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Post by ScornMandark on Jan 4, 2011 11:02:32 GMT -5
I'm just going to keep posting vaguely for a while. If someone wants to randomly wander into an area I happen to be in, there'll be no complaints here.
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Post by NoOnesShowMonkey on Mar 6, 2011 10:53:27 GMT -5
The credstick that was tossed to Screech for making the short run was 750 nuyen.
A few days later, Screech has some more work headed his way.
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Post by ScornMandark on Mar 6, 2011 21:32:52 GMT -5
Woot! Cash -> 1400
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Post by NoOnesShowMonkey on Mar 7, 2011 21:58:18 GMT -5
Screech now has a time and place for a meet. Like always, you can opt in or out. He has the remainder of the day to work on whatever he is interested in.
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Post by NoOnesShowMonkey on Mar 7, 2011 22:18:31 GMT -5
Abscalten / Zora:
The chords are to a soy-kaf joint off the I-5 in Industrial East, Downtown.
In the note text that came with the location is the time for meeting Filibro - it is in 3 days, at 11AM.
Zora has a few days to kill between now and then.
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Post by NoOnesShowMonkey on Mar 7, 2011 22:25:06 GMT -5
blackcoat / arakan:
It appears that Jibril's brother is less than inclined to main-line Arakan for any heavy work. You may want to try hitting another contact, or trying another method.
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Post by ScornMandark on Mar 7, 2011 23:53:11 GMT -5
Opting in.
Also, cred 1400 --> 1390.
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Post by ScornMandark on Mar 9, 2011 15:35:17 GMT -5
So.... I checked Arsenal and the Core book, and there's nothing in there I can find about cargo capacity in kg for vehicles. Or tow capacity, for that matter, but I digress. The only thing I can find is a winch mod in Arsenal that allows up to 10 kg lifting.
So, upon discussion with another 'runner, here's what we were looking at.
An F350 has a nominal load capacity of ~5700 lbs, which is 2600 kg (2.6 metric tons). It is comparable to probably the Tata Hotspur in the book (the GAZ pickup seems more like the 250). (Body 16 for the Hotspur.) This seems reasonable, considering the Tractor Trailer Cab has a body of 18. This would give us a rule of thumb conversion of 162.5 kg/Body for carrying capacity. This is different from towing capacity, which would be much much higher, of course.
This would give a Jackrabbit a capacity of 1300 kg, which sounds like a lot, and the trailer cab of 2925 kg, which seems reasonable, at least. Maybe a little low.
Also to note this is a stock F350 without any engine mods, which wouldn't be the case after too long in the hands of a Rigger.
Thoughts? I know Body factors into ramming damage, since it represents mass, but not really engine. Maybe tie it into acceleration (ie torque) and or speed (horsepower)? I dunno.
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Post by NoOnesShowMonkey on Mar 9, 2011 16:25:45 GMT -5
edit: erroneous.
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Post by NoOnesShowMonkey on Mar 9, 2011 16:31:55 GMT -5
Check that. From the readout of the Ford Transit, the maximum capacity of the contemporary van is 1600 lb, or 725 kg. Alternately, a F-150 with a hauling package, can carry 3000 lb or ~1360 kg. This is an exchange rate of ~85 kg per point of body. |
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Post by ScornMandark on Mar 9, 2011 16:32:11 GMT -5
Sounds eminently reasonable to me. That pegs the Roadmaster at 4.0 metric tons (listed as a transport vehicle), then.I liked the Rigger Black Book for 2.0, they listed cubic feet and kg. Plus the range of mods available were pretty extensive, and really appealed to the enginerd in me |
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Post by ScornMandark on Mar 9, 2011 16:33:39 GMT -5
Ok, so what's the hauling adaptation? Would it be a standard mod for transports and trucks then?
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Post by ScornMandark on Mar 9, 2011 16:35:43 GMT -5
Also, are you putting the 150 as the body 14 GAZ pickup in Arsenal or as a body 16 vehicle?
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Post by NoOnesShowMonkey on Mar 9, 2011 16:38:19 GMT -5
Like all good things, the hauling package is an additional fee.  A clean solution, I thinks, would be to have a vehicle haul - limited by space - 50 kg per point of body (this is greater than the 45kg / body rate that the current Transit uses). From there, a Hauling Package can be added, rating 1-6. A Hauling Package increases the capacity by 5%, or 5 kg, per point of body. In total, this allows a vehicle with a Rating 6 Hauling Package to haul up to 80 kg per point of body, reaching nearly the current listed capacity for the F-150 with a super-duty hauling suspension. |
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Post by NoOnesShowMonkey on Mar 9, 2011 16:46:11 GMT -5
A further edit!
According to the readouts of the F-450, the truck can haul nearly 5000 lb, or around 2600 kg.
From there, we have the F-150 hauling 3000 lb, or 1360 kg.
Finally, the Transit hauling 1600 lb, or 725 kg.
Assuming all have a standard body of 16 (just for sake of argument), we have a range of:
F-450 hauls at 160 kg / body.
F-150 hauls at 85 kg / body.
Transit hauls at 45 kg / body.
That is a quite a range, and I would have to re-write the Hauling Package upgrade to allow for accordingly large increases in capacity, but I think we are on the right track.
Regardless, if you had a trailer, you could easily haul the 2 metric tons, even in a single load.
At the best case scenario, with an open back, heavy hauling pickup, you can just barely eek out the whole load in one trip.
A trailer or multiple trips will be required.
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Post by ScornMandark on Mar 9, 2011 16:48:48 GMT -5
I think that's a reasonable place to start from, although I think it's a little low for the heavier duty haulers like F350s and such. I like the hauling package option, that makes it more like real vehicles. An F350 SRW 4x2 regular cab can haul 4000 lbs (1818 kg) and a DRW version can hit a max of 7070 lbs (3213 kg). If we upgrade the F350 to a body 18 vehicle (same as a tractor trailer cab?), that puts it at 178.5 kg/point max, or 101 for the SRW 4x2. |
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Post by ScornMandark on Mar 9, 2011 16:50:55 GMT -5
Hahaha agreed I think I'll have to arrange a trailer (if nothing else, depending on the size of the equipment to be hauled). |
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Post by NoOnesShowMonkey on Mar 9, 2011 16:52:52 GMT -5
Well, let me put it this way, unless you find a heavy hauling pickup or a cargo truck (not van, a deuce and a half kind of thing), you won't be able to make the run in a single move without using a trailer.
I can work out the finer points of what a base hauling capacity is (I think 50kg to a point of Body is a decent start with some kind of Amount x Rating for a package is a great method) at a later date. As is, though, you can't make the move with your van unless you trailer it.
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Post by ScornMandark on Mar 9, 2011 16:56:40 GMT -5
That's a great place to start, I think. I also think this hauling package will need to be applied to my Roadmaster at my earliest convenience, that'd be nice to have What kind of effect would a trailer have on my vehicle? similar to the effect of a trailer on a tractor trailer (just smaller scale)? -2 handling, -10 accel, -20 speed, + some body? |
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Post by NoOnesShowMonkey on Mar 9, 2011 17:03:04 GMT -5
I'll have to think about that some.
Considering that the contents of your trailer matter as much as the contents of your Roadmaster, I may need to be able to track damage to the trailer and thus to its contents as separate from your vehicle.
I'll noodle it.
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Post by ScornMandark on Mar 9, 2011 17:03:31 GMT -5
Ok, fair enough.
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Post by ScornMandark on Mar 9, 2011 17:17:54 GMT -5
It's too bad we didn't think about this when I was making the Roadmaster, this hauling package is something I'd definitely like to retrofit her with once you've got the rules for it.
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Post by NoOnesShowMonkey on Mar 9, 2011 17:22:26 GMT -5
How could we have known?
I'll read up on the rules for vehicle mods and see if I can't come up with something good.
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Post by ScornMandark on Mar 9, 2011 17:46:29 GMT -5
Lol true enough =P
Ok, cool. Maybe something along the lines of the offroad suspension and something else? -1 handling in exchange for upgraded capacity?
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Post by NoOnesShowMonkey on Mar 9, 2011 19:38:48 GMT -5
Impulse finds himself in a warehouse that looks something like this  |
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Post by drzaius on Mar 9, 2011 20:20:28 GMT -5
Before I forget. Impulse's starting cash roll. 2d6=10 x 20 (Squatter lifestyle) He's got 200 nuyen, and big dreams. |
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I was out for nearly a year not long ago, so I feel ya...